I know there are alot of versions, but from my understandings King James is the closest to the actual writing.
Also something I do is study one version and then compare with a kid version to really understand all the metaphors.
I want to study Bible.But i want to know which version of the Bible is the right one?How many version exist?
if you can get original hebrew and greek, go for it. thats the most accurate.
Reply:I don't know how many, but I recommend the NIV - New International Version Student Bible. That's the most common. If your new to Christianity, and want to really try to read the thing, there's a new version out called 'The Message' Bible. It supposed to be a lot easier to digest, and a lot more fun to read. Personally, I'm an old fogey and am not really comfortable with reworking God's words. But a lot of people who are smarter than me about these things say it's a good Bible to start out with - or to make sure you read regularly. "The chocolate coating makes it go down easier".
Reply:The King James Version is the best and leaves nothing out or changes it
you can go to this site and read all translations of the Bible
online
http://www.biblegateway.com/
Peace and Blessings
Reply:May I add my recommendations?
You probably want the best of two things: Readablility and Reliability. Readability means that you can read it and understand it. Reliablity means that it is a close translation to the original text.
TO begin, reliable texts go for a word for word translation, rather than a thought for thought, paragraph by paragraph, etc. If the translation goes beyond word for word, you are actually reading the interpreters opinion, rather than the original writers idea.
As for readability, you could go with an original greek text Bible for the best accuracy, but you probably can't read Greek (I can't). Scholars agree that the American Standard Version is the most accurate translation of the majority greek text (the agreed Greek texts that constitute the original Bible), but it is very difficult to read. The King James Bible is also a very accurate translation of the Textus Receptus (another Greek text), but written in middle English, it is like reading Shakespeare.
The converse is that some very readible Bibles (Todays NIV, The Living Bible, The Word, etc) are not word for word translations, and seriously mis-interpret some passages in an attempt to provide the translators idea.
I (as a Bible teacher) would recommend the following: For the best combination of readability and reliability, go with:
New King James
New American Standard
English Standard Version
After this you might consider:
King James (If you are ready to translate it as you read)
New International Version (the best of the non-"word for word" translations, very popular and readable)
Reply:All the versions say about the same thing !!! The easiest on to read will be the one published by Tyndale House !!!
Reply:OK,king James hard to read, no one speaks
Elizabethan English any more. literal trans.
nkj they got rid of "tho's", modern language.
niv is thought for thought translation.
nasb is literal trans.
RSV is liberal but still good.
esv is good %26amp; based on the geneva bible (ck me on that)
the sites below are good %26amp; safe.
go to carm, on left goto about bible, then to evidence support bible, then2nd down, illusrtation of bible text/tree, you'll see, clk.
at equip goto all the way rt %26amp; down, view archives clk, 6 down, eng trans of bible clk.
this should be enough for now.
you can get other books to help you under stand better, those sites if they recomand books the books will be safe.
get back %26amp; let us know how you are doing.
Reply:For "which one is best", read here:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...
The short: there's no objective way of determining which specific version is best. A better tack is to determine which version serves your purposes best. For this, see below:
OK, here's my "what bible should I pick" answer:
1st, I'll assume that you are not a member of a sect that demands using the King James Version (KJV) or any other particular version. (Unfortunately, most of these sects do not actually use the whole KJV.)
At this stage you want to decide what your bible should contain. Do you want a bible that contains 1) all scripture or 2) a selection of scripture? Besides editions that contain all scripture, there are editions that contain only new testament books, others containing only books from the Hebrew bible, and still others (the majority) which exclude several books in a somewhat cavalier fashion.
I will assume that you intend to read the entire bible, or at least wish to have the entire bible at your disposal. In this case, you must obtain a bible that includes the Apocrypha. There are some sects teaching that the apocrypha is not inspired scripture, and if you are a member of one of these sects then simply avoid reading these books. There is no other reason for avoiding the so-called apocrypha and every reason to get a bible which includes them. Here is a more in-depth discussion about this topic: http://www.jimpettis.com/bibles/dc.htm .
In my conclusion I will consider two cases:
1) You want a "complete" bible (Complete)
2) You don't care if the apocrypha is included or not (Open)
The next stage is to decide if you want a bible merely for reading and learning the text of the bible itself, or if you intend to study scripture more deeply and intensely in order to gain a greater understanding and to help you interpret the scriptures accurately. This is the difference between a "standard" edition bible and a (scholarly) study bible. I will refer to this as "purpose" when I make recommendations below.
Finally, you need to decide whether you want a translation that offers 1) ease of reading 2) literalness of translation or 3) accuracy of translation. I separate these even though they are not *necessarily* mutually exclusive. Different versions *do* (must) follow primarily one of these three criteria, however, and so should you when you make a decision. I will refer to this as "style" when I make recommendations below.
A note about the KJV: although excellent for its time, and including nearly the entire body of scripture, as well as marginal notes from the translators providing possible alternate translations (making it a passable study bible), the KJV uses 400-year-old English, 400-year-old scholarship (read: they didn't know as much as scholars today), and texts that lacked the last 400 years of archaeological discoveries. By no means was the KJV the first English version of the bible. It's main advantage today is that most people use some form of the KJV and it is often useful to use the same version as others in discussions of scripture.
Recommendations: you can look at a fairly thorough comparison of technical details of different versions here: http://www.jimpettis.com/bibles/chart.ht... , but what follows are my recommendations.
Comparisons of "literalness" of translation can be found here: http://www.preceptaustin.org/tool_commen... and here: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~port/teach/re... and here: http://www.zondervan.com/images/cms/Bibl... . An important note: "literal" does *not* equate with "accurate". A translation that is more literal does *not* equate to a translation that is more accurate. Indeed, in *any* language translation, literal translation is likely to lead to significant failings in accuracy of translation.
Style: Translated for Ease of Reading
....Purpose: Reading (Ease of Reading is not a relevant style for a study bible purpose)
........Content: Complete
............CEV (Contemporary English Version) - complete version http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?i... , also available as an e-book on CD http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?i... . Second choice: NAB (New American Bible) - not as easy to read but still easy, translation accuracy may be slanted slightly by Roman Catholic bias.
Style: Translated for Ease of Reading
....Purpose: Reading
........Content: Open
............NIV (New International Version) - one of the easiest-to-read modern translations with higher marks for accuracy than most easy-to-read bibles
Style: Literalness of Translation
....Purpose: Study
........Content: Complete
............RSV (Revised Standard Version), New Oxford Annotated Bible, Expanded Edition - one of the most literal translations with some of the most scholarly study notes, though somewhat archaic language. 2nd choice: NET (New English Translation) - literalness uncertain but copious translator's notes help the reader achieve this goal. Deutero-canonicals incomplete.
Style: Literalness of Translation
....Purpose: Study
........Content: Open
............NASB (New American Standard Bible), Scofield Study Bible - most literal modern translation, but study notes are for the most part independent of the translation. 2nd choice: RSV New Oxford Annotated Bible - not as literal as the NASB but more comprehensive and scholarly study notes, available without Apocrypha.
Style: Literalness of Translation
....Purpose: Reading
........Content: Complete
............RSV - most literal complete version, but somewhat archaic language. Make certain to get a version that includes the Apocrypha. (All "Catholic" bibles include *most* of these books, and "Expanded Edition" includes them all).
Style: Literalness of Translation
....Purpose: Reading
........Content: Open
............NASB - most literal modern-text bible, high marks for accuracy
Style: Accuracy of Translation
....Purpose: Study
........Content: Complete
............NJB (New Jerusalem Bible), Regular Edition - copious study notes, word use demonstrates great concern for accuracy of translation, my favorite version. 2nd choice: NRSV (New Revised Standard Version), The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha, Augmented Third Edition - includes complete deutero-canonicals, excellent scholarly study notes on par with NJB, but translation suffers slightly from over-zealous use of "inclusive" language
Style: Accuracy of Translation
....Purpose: Study
........Content: Open
............Same as above. New Oxford Annotated available without the Apocrypha.
Style: Accuracy of Translation
....Purpose: Reading
........Content: Complete
............NJB Reader's Edition. 2nd choice: NET - copious translator's notes may make this the most accurate translation, but requires study to absorb the translation; deutero-canonicals incomplete.
Style: Accuracy of Translation
....Purpose: Reading
........Content: Open
............NJB Reader's Edition. 2nd choice: NET. 3rd choice: NIV (New International Version) - highly regarded non-biased translation, not as careful as NJB but easier to read.
Recommendations for the true bible student (who doesn't know Greek or Hebrew):
1) Software including NASB, KJV, NRSV, NJB and NIV - I use Ellis (lacks NIV) but there is at least one other *affordable* (under $100) package providing this selection. Make certain a Strong's Concordance is also included.
2) NJB Regular Edition - get it if you can, don't settle for the Standard Edition. (My review here: http://www.jimpettis.com/bibles/njb.htm )
3) NASB - make certain to get the latest version. Get it in print if your software doesn't have it. Most literal translation.
4) The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha, Augmented Third Edition - NRSV translation demonstrates over-zealous use of inclusive language but the study notes are invaluable, perhaps better and less biased than NJB.
5) Oxford Authorized King James Version with Apocrypha http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?i... - the complete books of the 1611 King James Version with printers errors removed and spelling modernized. No marginal notes.
6) KJV New Cambridge Paragraph Bible with the Apocrypha http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?i... - the complete 1611 edition, *including* marginal notes, with modernized spelling. Probably more valuable than 5), but it's a tough call.
7) A good bible dictionary, such as HarperCollins Bible Dictionary. There are a few equally good alternatives.
Honorable mentions:
1) Tanakh, 1995 edition, by the Jewish Publication Society - scholarly translation of the Hebrew Bible by Jewish scholars, very highly regarded.
2) NWT (New World Translation), With References - a very literal bible with some excellent though incomplete study notes. Shows significant but infrequent Jehovah's Witness bias and is available only from the WatchTower Organization (Jehovah's Witnesses). Reading this with the awareness of the bias (which is mostly documented in the bible itself) can be quite worthwhile to a student of the bible.
I hope this helps.
Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/
Reply:There are a lot of them. The best ones to read are the KJV, KKJV, and the NIV.
By no means read "Today's New International Version."
When it was created, they took out any verse referring to men and changed it to those or they.
Basically, they made it Politically Correct.
For example:
Psalm 1:1 NIV
Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.
Psalm 1:1 TNIV
Blessed are those
who do not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
Reply:Just get a King James version, pray before you start for understanding and God will reveal his word to you. Bless your heart.
God bless you!
Reply:I found the ' King James Version 1611'......to be the best translation of the Original texts.....some claim the English used a bit antique and difficult to understand, which I don't agree....As you keep reading you will find the beauty and the correctness of the language used....For example Psalm 23-no other version can come up to the beauty and the power of the same rendered in the KJV..
Reply:The best Bible for you is the one that you can understand and will read.
Edit - Q - The ESV (English Standard Version) is actually based upon the Revised Standard Version. A group of Christians believed that if the RSV were to be revised so that perceived "liberalisms" (such as "young woman" in Isa. 7.14) were changed to be more acceptable to conservatives, that it would be a good version.
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Reply:Many versions. What language do you speak as a first language?
Some will say that the King James Bible is the best in English, but that is about as far from modern English as Dari is from Farsi.
New International is good modern version, providing a thoughtful translation.
If you prefer word for word, you could go to New American Standard, or New King James.
Reply:Good luck with that. There are almost as many versions of the bible as there are churches, when it comes to translations. I would recomend you learn Hebrew and Greek. and since that isn't going to happen study a few diffrent translations at once, it will suprise you the number of contridictions you will find among them all.
Rev MacOg of the Asatru
Reply:there r 4 versions and what exactly do u mean by the right 1?what makes a version right.as it is clear all the versions were written when jesus himself wasn't among people any more and some poeple have used other books or their own ideas and imagination 2 each write down a book.jesus has made no comments of any of the bibles cuz he never read them.the koran explains it about the bibles.i would tell u more if u want
as a muslim i would call a holy book the right 1,that is actually gods words
Reply:Well, if you want an English version there are many. But if you are well versed in Semitic Languages, if I were you would read those. If I were someone who was good with semitic languages, I would study the manuscripts.
The versions are translations of manuscripts.
EDIT: I already told you.
Reply:If your goal is to study the Bible and really understand what the original writers intended, and if you are comfortable with English, I suggest the New Revised Standard Version. It's available in a couple of study Bibles with detailed notes on two levels - to explain problems in translating the text itself, and to explain the cultural context in which it was written. And regardless of whether your faith tradition accepts them as Scripture or not, get one "with the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical Books," because some of those books complete the historic and cultural perspective and are quoted in the New Testament.
Another alternative available in our electronic age is to get a CD with multiple translations and languages side-by-side, as well as concordances (word indexes) and other helps.
Reply:i don't know how many version there are but the king james is the most accurate
Reply:You can go to your local christian book store, or even look online at Amazon.com and skim through them and see which bible is easier for you to read. That is great for starters.
Blessings on your journey.
Reply:Use a version you understand. I suggest the New Living Translation.
Reply:The 1611 Authorized King James Version would be my suggestion to you. While there are many other in circulation, this particular Bible was translated, not interpreted, from the original Greek and Hebrew tongues it was originally wrote in. Many have argued that the old King James Version is too hard to understand, but with the leadership of the Holy Spirit, you will receive the understanding from God that He intends for you to have. The newer versions simply input too many of mankind's interpretations as to what they think that God means. The Holy Word of God was written by men inspired of God, and the 1611 King James Version was translated in the same way. I will pray for you in your study of the Holy Scriptures that God will give you guidance and understanding. May God Bless You!!!
Reply:king james ONLY u will go too HELL if u use any other version, all other verison of tbe bible is by SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 and u must NOT read the aporcraphy, or any edition with historical notes because that is SATANS will, hail SATAN!!!!
Reply:The King James Version is the most widely accepted version in English. As far as one bible being more right than another.... that I'll leave open for debate. There are over 50 different English versions of the Bible. There are over 450 versions worldwide.
Reply:I agree with Weird Darryl.
You could get a comparison Bible, which shows you a few different versions in the same book, side by side. Ask at a local Christian bookstore (a secular bookstore might not have these in stock).
You can see how versions differ by comparing Scripture verses on sites like:
http://www.biblegateway.com/
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
http://bible.christianity.com/
The most important thing about your Bible is that you use it. Also consider if you would like a study version (which has commentary) to help you understand what you're reading more in depth.
You can get study versions for pretty much any translation you like, and there are many different options. Ask a Christian bookseller to show you different possibilities.
There are study Bibles that focus on prophecy, devotions for men or women, witnessing to others, tons of different angles to explore depending on your interest. I personally like the Life Application Study Bible, which is available in several translations. It has a lot of detailed explanation about the verses and how they can apply to our lives.
Reply:you can select whichever you want .. coz usually people use.. King James Version...
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Monday, April 26, 2010
Christians - What do you learn on Yahoo answers that you couldn't in a normal Bible study?
How atheists and others think. Their opinions of Christians and what they perceive of Christians. Its not only entertaining but very educational. Y!A has taught me a lot about how to approach non believers, especially atheists, and how to defend my beliefs. Oh and also what not to say/do. Some may not see it, but it has strengthened our faith and made us think more and resolve why we believe what we believe, basically it put our beliefs and heads right. Good question.
Christians - What do you learn on Yahoo answers that you couldn't in a normal Bible study?
i get to hear stories from around the globe about the eternal conflict between God and satan. People tell of what God has done in their life, and others the struggles that they cannot seem to overcome. It really makes obvious the invisible battle that constantly rages in the spiritual realm.
Reply:"NORMAL" Bible study? I have studied the Bible for nearly sixty years on and off and I've come to the conclusion that such drivel could not possibly be the word of an intelligent being. It is folk lore, translated and mis interpreted in thousand different ways to suit those who want to exploit it for personal gain.
Reply:What I have learned is that there are a lot of people around who hate Christianity! It was not like this 10 years ago! At one time even people who didn't believe saw "church people" as respectable, but not anymore.
It has laid on my heart that Christians better start matching their walk to their talk if we are not going to lose this entire generation.
Reply:how atheists think! how Christians outside of my church think, anonymous and uninhibited sharing of thoughts (often in the form of a rhetorical question followed by a long lecture fitted into the description).
Reply:If you don't know by now, you have not been here long enough.
Stick around and find out. Take a leap and jump out of the box.
Rev. TomCat
Reply:That there is only one God: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Ramen !
Reply:Christians are keeping an eye on Yahoo answers , to know "How many more Christians have converted to Atheism.
Reply:Every once in a while I DO discover some fact I had not known or bit of reasoning I find intriguing.
However, mostly I have discovered:
1) How absolutely close minded some people are. and
2) Also how SOME Christians not only spout so much hatred, but they believe in a "God of hate.".
3) Already decide what they believe and THEN use the Bible to prove it is "truth."
--------------------------------------...
and BLESSED3 write: "There are a lot of people around who hate Christianity! It was not like this 10 years ago!"
It is NOT Christianity they hate, only the perverted twists that too many put into their "brand" of Christianity. It would seem to them that Christianity is no longer a religion of love,but one of intollerance, bigotry, and even hatred.
--------------------------------------...
DREADS wrote: "People tell of what God has done in their life, and others the struggles that they cannot seem to overcome."
This view is somewhat simplistic and naive. Most of my struggles have been in sloughing off the tyranny of the half-truths and total lies of my former religion, and with the bigotry and intolerance found in much of the “Christian” community.
--------------------------------------...
and ...ChildOfG...
I learn that the majority of (but not quite all) CHRISTIANS are self-righteous elitists who have convinced themselves beyond the shadow of a doubt that THIER RECONSTRUCTION OF God IS THE ONLY TRUTH so that they can actively HATE others and pretend they are doing good.
Reply:Not a whole lot since most of what is on here is bickering and fighting over who is more right Christan's or Atheists.
Reply:Sam nailed it. In Bible study i get only the way other brothers and sisters think. Here I get all opinions. I love it, keep it coming!
Reply:A normal Bible study's purpose is more or less "comfort the Christian", whereas here on Yahoo R %26amp; S, it's more like "kill the guy with the Bible".
Since participating in Yahoo, I've brushed up on apologetics, added a Bible search software program to my laptop, and read two books by Hank Hanegraaff and Josh McDowell.
Yahoo definitely keeps you on your toes, and although I probably haven't led anybody to the Lord on Yahoo, the hostility encountered here is good mental preparation for the world outside your front door.
Reply:people, like everything else are winding down to the grave.
Reply:all these other answers i am going with....
Reply:How many still need to know of God's purpose of creating man
Reply:Okay I am not a Christian, but I wanted to answer.
On here, usually its just regular religious dialogue, but every now and then someone will put something so succintly, so elegantly...that its like a little inspiration.
Example, on the never-settle question of free will, someone on here once said simply "whats the point of consciousness without free will?"
Reply:In a normal Bible study I have others who believe the way I do who don't challenge me. I say, "Hey Jesus is God. I'm saved. Jesus is the only way." And everyone in my circle nods their heads and say, "amen". Here I am challenged and not only that but Christians, I believe, are necessarily unaware how they come across to non-christian and they should hold themselves accountable to others why they believe what they believe.
Reply:It has really helped me in studying the Bible.I stay mostly on the RS site and when scripture is needed to answer a question you have to look it up.
Reply:What people of other religions (or non-religions) really think.
Because honestly, when I was involved with Bible studies, people would say all kinds of things about "what non-believers thought" that I discovered later weren't true.
Reply:hmm.
different perspectives.
Atheists
agnostics.
Muslims.
Mormons...
etc.
Reply:what the best sexual position is
Reply:Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Jesus said . . . . ye shall be witnesses unto Me
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
Jehovah is Jesus Christ, the Jehovah witnesses had been witnessing for the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ who is Jehovah and they had been wrong since 1930's when they adopted the name
Reply:There are alot of people that don't pick up a Bible because they have a hard time understanding it, so they can come here and ask, the thing is, they must not take some people serious as their are alot of athiest that come on here that do not understand it, so they put people down, but if they would see, if they could open their heart, they would have the joy they are missing.
Reply:I learn that the majority of (but not quite all) atheists are self-righteous elitists who have convinced themselves beyond the shadow of a doubt that God doesn't exist so that they can have an excuse for their low (or non-existant) moral standards.
Reply:How to spell atheist.
Reply:How to hate people with different opinions on God!
Christians - What do you learn on Yahoo answers that you couldn't in a normal Bible study?
i get to hear stories from around the globe about the eternal conflict between God and satan. People tell of what God has done in their life, and others the struggles that they cannot seem to overcome. It really makes obvious the invisible battle that constantly rages in the spiritual realm.
Reply:"NORMAL" Bible study? I have studied the Bible for nearly sixty years on and off and I've come to the conclusion that such drivel could not possibly be the word of an intelligent being. It is folk lore, translated and mis interpreted in thousand different ways to suit those who want to exploit it for personal gain.
Reply:What I have learned is that there are a lot of people around who hate Christianity! It was not like this 10 years ago! At one time even people who didn't believe saw "church people" as respectable, but not anymore.
It has laid on my heart that Christians better start matching their walk to their talk if we are not going to lose this entire generation.
Reply:how atheists think! how Christians outside of my church think, anonymous and uninhibited sharing of thoughts (often in the form of a rhetorical question followed by a long lecture fitted into the description).
Reply:If you don't know by now, you have not been here long enough.
Stick around and find out. Take a leap and jump out of the box.
Rev. TomCat
Reply:That there is only one God: The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Ramen !
Reply:Christians are keeping an eye on Yahoo answers , to know "How many more Christians have converted to Atheism.
Reply:Every once in a while I DO discover some fact I had not known or bit of reasoning I find intriguing.
However, mostly I have discovered:
1) How absolutely close minded some people are. and
2) Also how SOME Christians not only spout so much hatred, but they believe in a "God of hate.".
3) Already decide what they believe and THEN use the Bible to prove it is "truth."
--------------------------------------...
and BLESSED3 write: "There are a lot of people around who hate Christianity! It was not like this 10 years ago!"
It is NOT Christianity they hate, only the perverted twists that too many put into their "brand" of Christianity. It would seem to them that Christianity is no longer a religion of love,but one of intollerance, bigotry, and even hatred.
--------------------------------------...
DREADS wrote: "People tell of what God has done in their life, and others the struggles that they cannot seem to overcome."
This view is somewhat simplistic and naive. Most of my struggles have been in sloughing off the tyranny of the half-truths and total lies of my former religion, and with the bigotry and intolerance found in much of the “Christian” community.
--------------------------------------...
and ...ChildOfG...
I learn that the majority of (but not quite all) CHRISTIANS are self-righteous elitists who have convinced themselves beyond the shadow of a doubt that THIER RECONSTRUCTION OF God IS THE ONLY TRUTH so that they can actively HATE others and pretend they are doing good.
Reply:Not a whole lot since most of what is on here is bickering and fighting over who is more right Christan's or Atheists.
Reply:Sam nailed it. In Bible study i get only the way other brothers and sisters think. Here I get all opinions. I love it, keep it coming!
Reply:A normal Bible study's purpose is more or less "comfort the Christian", whereas here on Yahoo R %26amp; S, it's more like "kill the guy with the Bible".
Since participating in Yahoo, I've brushed up on apologetics, added a Bible search software program to my laptop, and read two books by Hank Hanegraaff and Josh McDowell.
Yahoo definitely keeps you on your toes, and although I probably haven't led anybody to the Lord on Yahoo, the hostility encountered here is good mental preparation for the world outside your front door.
Reply:people, like everything else are winding down to the grave.
Reply:all these other answers i am going with....
Reply:How many still need to know of God's purpose of creating man
Reply:Okay I am not a Christian, but I wanted to answer.
On here, usually its just regular religious dialogue, but every now and then someone will put something so succintly, so elegantly...that its like a little inspiration.
Example, on the never-settle question of free will, someone on here once said simply "whats the point of consciousness without free will?"
Reply:In a normal Bible study I have others who believe the way I do who don't challenge me. I say, "Hey Jesus is God. I'm saved. Jesus is the only way." And everyone in my circle nods their heads and say, "amen". Here I am challenged and not only that but Christians, I believe, are necessarily unaware how they come across to non-christian and they should hold themselves accountable to others why they believe what they believe.
Reply:It has really helped me in studying the Bible.I stay mostly on the RS site and when scripture is needed to answer a question you have to look it up.
Reply:What people of other religions (or non-religions) really think.
Because honestly, when I was involved with Bible studies, people would say all kinds of things about "what non-believers thought" that I discovered later weren't true.
Reply:hmm.
different perspectives.
Atheists
agnostics.
Muslims.
Mormons...
etc.
Reply:what the best sexual position is
Reply:Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Jesus said . . . . ye shall be witnesses unto Me
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
Jehovah is Jesus Christ, the Jehovah witnesses had been witnessing for the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ who is Jehovah and they had been wrong since 1930's when they adopted the name
Reply:There are alot of people that don't pick up a Bible because they have a hard time understanding it, so they can come here and ask, the thing is, they must not take some people serious as their are alot of athiest that come on here that do not understand it, so they put people down, but if they would see, if they could open their heart, they would have the joy they are missing.
Reply:I learn that the majority of (but not quite all) atheists are self-righteous elitists who have convinced themselves beyond the shadow of a doubt that God doesn't exist so that they can have an excuse for their low (or non-existant) moral standards.
Reply:How to spell atheist.
Reply:How to hate people with different opinions on God!
Should I drop out of my Bible study group?
There are a few thing that I disagree with the Teacher on. I live in a Senior apt. complex. There was the time when she told a man that he wasn't welcome in our class that it was a Women's only class. We study the Bible, Jesus is our Lord! There are no women's discussions. Then she informed us that her Pastor (she come's in from the outside) said that Obama is the anti-christ and that he will distroy our country. I just feel very unconfortable around her as I disagree with her on both of these points and one small point is she end's her prayers with "In your name." Not In "In Jesus' name" Jeus told us to pray to the Father, not pray to him.I have a frien who has already dropped out.
Should I drop out of my Bible study group?
It sounds like there is a wolf in the hen-house, and unless you feel rightly that you'll tame this ferocious beast, I'd certainly leave for the, sanity of your own peace of mind, and sanctity of your own heart and soul.
We are required to love all our relatives of creation, regardless of the fangs and claws, to enter the heaven of reunion with God, but we are to be wise enough to avoid our own destruction from the influence of others desires for the taste of flesh.
Bless and do not curse, but do not keep company with the ungodly unwilling to change, for disease of the soul is more dangerous and contagious than of the body. Never ever hate, always bless, for hate itself is the disease.
God bless.
Reply:Thank you and God bless; with regards to my my fellow sage advisers -Blessings. Report Abuse
Reply:Drop out my friend. Before doing that, ask in whose name is "your name" and tell her it should be in Jesus name and also tell the bible study class of the false and ask them to drop out because of that.
You'll be saving some lives from going to hell if you do that.
Reply:Pamela, I am in your contacts as you well know. I also know that you teach Sunday School in your Building. If you feel uncomfortable with this woman I would advise you to drop out. We know that we are to pray "in Jesus name" because we are praying to The Father and not to Jesus. I agree with others that have said about starting your own Bible study group. Pray about it and follow what God places on your heart to do. God'God Bless You, you sound like a very nice person.
Reply:If you leave you will not be able to influence those that are left, including the teacher.
Reply:Lift it up to God.... maybe you are there to help the teacher
Reply:she sounds like a bigoted idiot. Start your own group with your friend!
Reply:Sounds like nit-picky things to me. Is she Biblically incorrect in what she teaches? Are you learning Bible truths in the class?
Why not just let her know you disagree with the two points you mentioned?
Reply:Yeah drop out and do something worthwhile with the precious time you have left!
Reply:Pamela,
Do you agree on her biblical teachings? If you do, then don't rock the boat. Take her aside privately and talk with her.
Galatians 6:1-3 Brethren, if a man is overtaken (be found out) in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore (to a former state) such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourelf lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (love). 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing he deceives himself.
She may come from a church that teaches women should not usurp authority over the man. Which is biblically correct. A woman should not teach men or a mixed group. When a boy reaches the age of 12 he should be taught by men. That's not to say that a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister can't instruct a male member of the family ... Eunice and Lois with Timothy.
Paul addresses this issue with Timothy.
Women in public worship
I Timothy 2:11-14 Let a woman learn in silence (be quiet in spirit) with all submission. 12 And I do not permit (turn to) a woman to teach or to have authority (having total mastery over) over a man, but to be in silence (settled down). 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Titus 2:3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of sound things - 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet (sober minded), chaste, homemakers (keepers of the home), good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
If she is teaching false doctrine, then leave but let her know why you are leaving and be able to back it up with Scripture.
Reply:Dear Pamela,
those things would bother me, too! yet take care not to be judgmental of her. praying for God's wisdom in the matter comes first. and talk with her directly about your concerns, if possible.
maybe she believes women shouldn't teach men; that might explain why she insists the class is only for women. and she's only human - we all have shortcomings and blind spots.
i wonder if you could raise your concerns in the group. ask what they think about whose name we pray in - no matter what the answers, it would give you the opportunity to share the scriptures that explain why you pray in the name of Jesus.
or gently tell the group that you came to discuss the bible, and wonder if they also find it distracting to get off onto other topics, like politics (or whatever).
disagreements offer a unique opportunity for personal growth if we face them with integrity. and sometimes new friendships are forged in the process!
your friend, jen :)
Reply:I'd dump her like a bad date.
Reply:Get into the Word of God, and allow the Spirit of Truth to lead and guide you into ALL Truth !
Forget all the doctrines you've heard all your life and " Hear what the Spirit is saying to His church " !
Reply:I would say leave but in all honesty I'd encourage anyone else that doesn't buy it to leave too. There is no reason to stay in that. You are there to study the bible, not listen to political BS of a rabid bigot.
Reply:I would. Start your own.
Should I drop out of my Bible study group?
It sounds like there is a wolf in the hen-house, and unless you feel rightly that you'll tame this ferocious beast, I'd certainly leave for the, sanity of your own peace of mind, and sanctity of your own heart and soul.
We are required to love all our relatives of creation, regardless of the fangs and claws, to enter the heaven of reunion with God, but we are to be wise enough to avoid our own destruction from the influence of others desires for the taste of flesh.
Bless and do not curse, but do not keep company with the ungodly unwilling to change, for disease of the soul is more dangerous and contagious than of the body. Never ever hate, always bless, for hate itself is the disease.
God bless.
Reply:Thank you and God bless; with regards to my my fellow sage advisers -Blessings. Report Abuse
Reply:Drop out my friend. Before doing that, ask in whose name is "your name" and tell her it should be in Jesus name and also tell the bible study class of the false and ask them to drop out because of that.
You'll be saving some lives from going to hell if you do that.
Reply:Pamela, I am in your contacts as you well know. I also know that you teach Sunday School in your Building. If you feel uncomfortable with this woman I would advise you to drop out. We know that we are to pray "in Jesus name" because we are praying to The Father and not to Jesus. I agree with others that have said about starting your own Bible study group. Pray about it and follow what God places on your heart to do. God'God Bless You, you sound like a very nice person.
Reply:If you leave you will not be able to influence those that are left, including the teacher.
Reply:Lift it up to God.... maybe you are there to help the teacher
Reply:she sounds like a bigoted idiot. Start your own group with your friend!
Reply:Sounds like nit-picky things to me. Is she Biblically incorrect in what she teaches? Are you learning Bible truths in the class?
Why not just let her know you disagree with the two points you mentioned?
Reply:Yeah drop out and do something worthwhile with the precious time you have left!
Reply:Pamela,
Do you agree on her biblical teachings? If you do, then don't rock the boat. Take her aside privately and talk with her.
Galatians 6:1-3 Brethren, if a man is overtaken (be found out) in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore (to a former state) such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourelf lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (love). 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing he deceives himself.
She may come from a church that teaches women should not usurp authority over the man. Which is biblically correct. A woman should not teach men or a mixed group. When a boy reaches the age of 12 he should be taught by men. That's not to say that a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister can't instruct a male member of the family ... Eunice and Lois with Timothy.
Paul addresses this issue with Timothy.
Women in public worship
I Timothy 2:11-14 Let a woman learn in silence (be quiet in spirit) with all submission. 12 And I do not permit (turn to) a woman to teach or to have authority (having total mastery over) over a man, but to be in silence (settled down). 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Titus 2:3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of sound things - 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet (sober minded), chaste, homemakers (keepers of the home), good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
If she is teaching false doctrine, then leave but let her know why you are leaving and be able to back it up with Scripture.
Reply:Dear Pamela,
those things would bother me, too! yet take care not to be judgmental of her. praying for God's wisdom in the matter comes first. and talk with her directly about your concerns, if possible.
maybe she believes women shouldn't teach men; that might explain why she insists the class is only for women. and she's only human - we all have shortcomings and blind spots.
i wonder if you could raise your concerns in the group. ask what they think about whose name we pray in - no matter what the answers, it would give you the opportunity to share the scriptures that explain why you pray in the name of Jesus.
or gently tell the group that you came to discuss the bible, and wonder if they also find it distracting to get off onto other topics, like politics (or whatever).
disagreements offer a unique opportunity for personal growth if we face them with integrity. and sometimes new friendships are forged in the process!
your friend, jen :)
Reply:I'd dump her like a bad date.
Reply:Get into the Word of God, and allow the Spirit of Truth to lead and guide you into ALL Truth !
Forget all the doctrines you've heard all your life and " Hear what the Spirit is saying to His church " !
Reply:I would say leave but in all honesty I'd encourage anyone else that doesn't buy it to leave too. There is no reason to stay in that. You are there to study the bible, not listen to political BS of a rabid bigot.
Reply:I would. Start your own.
Zondervan NIV and life application study bible?
What is the difference and which is better between the NIV zondervan study bible and the life application NIV study bible?
Looking for a good NIV translation study bible since I already have a good KJV and these seem to be the top rated and most suggested. I have looked through the zondervan NIV study bible but havent the life ap. one. What are the differences and which is better in your opinion and why?
Zondervan NIV and life application study bible?
Study Bible has historic footnotes, alternate translations of some of those hard-to-translate-between-languages words and phrases, etc...
Life Application Bible is exactly what it says--how does this passage apply to my life today.
I have the Study Bible, my wife has the Life App Bible. I prefer the Study, personally.
Reply:stay away from the NIV period. It is a perverse and wickedly corrupt bible that takes away verses and denies the deity of Jesus. I suggest you Google New International Perversion and stick with Gods inspired bible for the English speaking people, AV1611. Report Abuse
Reply:zondervan is a bad choice. they leave out verses.
Reply:I've found Zondervan to be useful with it's glossaries/tables/etc.
Looking for a good NIV translation study bible since I already have a good KJV and these seem to be the top rated and most suggested. I have looked through the zondervan NIV study bible but havent the life ap. one. What are the differences and which is better in your opinion and why?
Zondervan NIV and life application study bible?
Study Bible has historic footnotes, alternate translations of some of those hard-to-translate-between-languages words and phrases, etc...
Life Application Bible is exactly what it says--how does this passage apply to my life today.
I have the Study Bible, my wife has the Life App Bible. I prefer the Study, personally.
Reply:stay away from the NIV period. It is a perverse and wickedly corrupt bible that takes away verses and denies the deity of Jesus. I suggest you Google New International Perversion and stick with Gods inspired bible for the English speaking people, AV1611. Report Abuse
Reply:zondervan is a bad choice. they leave out verses.
Reply:I've found Zondervan to be useful with it's glossaries/tables/etc.
LDS ONLY... Is it ok to hold bible study's at my home with other non mormons that are christian?
I had been going to bible study's but my friend wants me to do it at my house. I don't see anything wrong with it as we just read the bible but I don't know???? Could I get into trouble with the church? Thanks.
Ps. I know this is not a good place to ask but I have no lds friends or family to ask. All my friends are Christian. Thanks
LDS ONLY... Is it ok to hold bible study's at my home with other non mormons that are christian?
It's just sad because The Book of Mormon more than likely won't be used. You'll have to hold your tongue on all the restored truths. If you can't share, it doesn't sound like fun.
Christians are confused without the Book of Mormon in their lives. Good luck
Reply:Generally speaking, no. You may want to discuss it with your bishop.
A few years ago there were some bible study groups that got into fringe topics and many eventually fell away from the church, persecuted the church, lost testimonies, were excommunicated, etc. Just make sure your studying stays gospel centered and of course avoid contention.
Reply:Basically what you are doing is called a small group or a cell group in christian terms, the early christians did this in their homes:
) Acts 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from HOUSE to HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
) Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every HOUSE, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
) Acts 20:20
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from HOUSE to HOUSE.
Since you are LDS and your group is christian, I would say thatyour bible is differant then the christian KJV so I would recommend just staying with the relief-society lessons and just using the bible scriptures in the lesson in them and not any other scriptures from any other scripture or using a christian devotional book from the christian book store. IF the christian group approves of it, you could welcome a visit from the missionaries as long as you go to their church to. This is such a tricky subject you may have to give a little to be able to allow your portion of your religion to be taught, as the mormons say every member a missionary, if you feel overwhelmed you may want to invite another member from your church to help you out with this bible study.
Reply:Just be careful to avoid contention and bible-bashing.
Reply:Well, discussing a religiously important and even holy book with people of another religion can cause too much discussion inside the group, but correctly handled it can increase the respect between the beliefs of others. You may feel a bit uncomfortable about your faith being discussed about but if you will consider it alright then you can have the discussion in your house.
Reply:This would be the beginning of apostasy. If you don't accept the true interpretations of scripture as given in Sunday school and on BYU TV, you are on the high road to serious trouble...
Reply:mbestevez is on the right track. If they know you are LDS, and that you probably interpret much of the Bible differently, and are open to different interpretations, it could work.
adult teeth
Ps. I know this is not a good place to ask but I have no lds friends or family to ask. All my friends are Christian. Thanks
LDS ONLY... Is it ok to hold bible study's at my home with other non mormons that are christian?
It's just sad because The Book of Mormon more than likely won't be used. You'll have to hold your tongue on all the restored truths. If you can't share, it doesn't sound like fun.
Christians are confused without the Book of Mormon in their lives. Good luck
Reply:Generally speaking, no. You may want to discuss it with your bishop.
A few years ago there were some bible study groups that got into fringe topics and many eventually fell away from the church, persecuted the church, lost testimonies, were excommunicated, etc. Just make sure your studying stays gospel centered and of course avoid contention.
Reply:Basically what you are doing is called a small group or a cell group in christian terms, the early christians did this in their homes:
) Acts 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from HOUSE to HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
) Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every HOUSE, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
) Acts 20:20
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publicly, and from HOUSE to HOUSE.
Since you are LDS and your group is christian, I would say thatyour bible is differant then the christian KJV so I would recommend just staying with the relief-society lessons and just using the bible scriptures in the lesson in them and not any other scriptures from any other scripture or using a christian devotional book from the christian book store. IF the christian group approves of it, you could welcome a visit from the missionaries as long as you go to their church to. This is such a tricky subject you may have to give a little to be able to allow your portion of your religion to be taught, as the mormons say every member a missionary, if you feel overwhelmed you may want to invite another member from your church to help you out with this bible study.
Reply:Just be careful to avoid contention and bible-bashing.
Reply:Well, discussing a religiously important and even holy book with people of another religion can cause too much discussion inside the group, but correctly handled it can increase the respect between the beliefs of others. You may feel a bit uncomfortable about your faith being discussed about but if you will consider it alright then you can have the discussion in your house.
Reply:This would be the beginning of apostasy. If you don't accept the true interpretations of scripture as given in Sunday school and on BYU TV, you are on the high road to serious trouble...
Reply:mbestevez is on the right track. If they know you are LDS, and that you probably interpret much of the Bible differently, and are open to different interpretations, it could work.
adult teeth
Any tips on books to use at a college home Bible study?
During school, I attend a Bible study at the home of one of the professors at my university. This semester, he and his wife will be gone at one of our school's overseas campuses teaching, and his son, I and a few other friends will be leading the study. Right now, we're looking for books and topics to cover. We just finished a study on spiritual disciplines last semester, and are looking for something that will allow for a lot of discussion and maybe opportunities to do things related to it during the week as well. Our studies each week normally start fairly generally and then get more specific through our discussion, and many times move onto topics unrelated to what we set out to talk about, but that's how we like it. If anyone has read any good books or has participated in some group study in the past that worked well and has some ideas, I would love to hear them. We're a church of Christ-affiliated school, but our group talks about a range of things, even other religions.
Any tips on books to use at a college home Bible study?
...aside from the bible, I recommend YOU google it!
Reply:"Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman. He is a graduate of Moody Bible College. That should say enough.
Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen???? Get a grip.
Rev. Ron, YOU GO!!!
Reply:The Bible is all you need really. You can get books from Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, and John Hagee, but they all refer to the bible.
Reply:http://www.pocm.info/
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
This is a start
Reply:Get something big and real and evangelical like Bible Doctrine by Wayne Grudem
Reply:You will need a zoology book, a biology book and a modern medical book to understand the God Yahweh's instructions that He is telling Moses in the book of Leviticus. Something Charles Darwin never knew and understood when he wrote his book "Origin of the Species".
Reply:Sure! How about a book on healing called "The Healing Book," by Alan Ballou. www.thehealingbook.com
Thanks for asking!
If I may be of service to anyone absolutely free, please contact me (1 Peter 4:10).
Respectfully,
Alan Ballou
www.thehealingbook.com
Any tips on books to use at a college home Bible study?
...aside from the bible, I recommend YOU google it!
Reply:"Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman. He is a graduate of Moody Bible College. That should say enough.
Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen???? Get a grip.
Rev. Ron, YOU GO!!!
Reply:The Bible is all you need really. You can get books from Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, and John Hagee, but they all refer to the bible.
Reply:http://www.pocm.info/
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
This is a start
Reply:Get something big and real and evangelical like Bible Doctrine by Wayne Grudem
Reply:You will need a zoology book, a biology book and a modern medical book to understand the God Yahweh's instructions that He is telling Moses in the book of Leviticus. Something Charles Darwin never knew and understood when he wrote his book "Origin of the Species".
Reply:Sure! How about a book on healing called "The Healing Book," by Alan Ballou. www.thehealingbook.com
Thanks for asking!
If I may be of service to anyone absolutely free, please contact me (1 Peter 4:10).
Respectfully,
Alan Ballou
www.thehealingbook.com
Tips on finding modern, contemporary bible study/worship groups in my area?
I'm 17 and looking for a bible study or worship group that's modern and contemporary. There's a college in my city (VCU) and i'd love to join a group with students and young adults. I'm sick of the stuffy enviornments and viewpoints of the older churches in my area and really want a place where they discuss and explore religion intellectually and by today's standards.
Any tips on how to find a place like this? I'm nondenominational so that makes it even harder. I don't really know where else to look or who to ask
Tips on finding modern, contemporary bible study/worship groups in my area?
Don't do it.
Find a good old fashioned church that only teaches the Bible.
Reply:Are you talking about just studying your religion intellectually or all religion? If all, a Bible study won't help you as much as classes or a general religion discussion group will. You can find both on that college campus. If you want to discuss your religion intellectually, again go to the college campus. If it is a public college or private Christian college it will probably have campus ministries for students, and they often have a community outreach program that includes Bible study. Go to the campus and try to contact the ministries, especially the non-denominational ones, and see if you can join one of their Bible studies. (Don't go to Campus Crusade for Christ, they can get a little creepy. lol) They will probably let you, and if not, look for a church with a youth group. They usually have Bible studies too.
Best of luck, and remember that religion is rarely the same when you hear about it outside of church, so to discuss it intellectually and objectively there is no better place than a classroom!
Reply:You won't find the truth by discussing Scripture 'intellectually' and by 'today's standards'. This usually means liberalism.
You need to study the views of people like Martyn Lloyd Jones, John Stott, F.F.Bruce and G.D.Fee.
Reply:Check out a Willow Creek Church in your area. I think you might find exactly what you are looking for. God Bless. I am praying for you.
Reply:Look in the phone book or do a search on the internet under phone books for church's.
Look at colleges that offer the bible study groups.
Reply:I sugest that you make a list of God's requirements for His Chruch.
e.g. one that is Bible based and obeys His Commandments (ALL 10 of them)
And use the ONLY accurate Bible we have.
Any tips on how to find a place like this? I'm nondenominational so that makes it even harder. I don't really know where else to look or who to ask
Tips on finding modern, contemporary bible study/worship groups in my area?
Don't do it.
Find a good old fashioned church that only teaches the Bible.
Reply:Are you talking about just studying your religion intellectually or all religion? If all, a Bible study won't help you as much as classes or a general religion discussion group will. You can find both on that college campus. If you want to discuss your religion intellectually, again go to the college campus. If it is a public college or private Christian college it will probably have campus ministries for students, and they often have a community outreach program that includes Bible study. Go to the campus and try to contact the ministries, especially the non-denominational ones, and see if you can join one of their Bible studies. (Don't go to Campus Crusade for Christ, they can get a little creepy. lol) They will probably let you, and if not, look for a church with a youth group. They usually have Bible studies too.
Best of luck, and remember that religion is rarely the same when you hear about it outside of church, so to discuss it intellectually and objectively there is no better place than a classroom!
Reply:You won't find the truth by discussing Scripture 'intellectually' and by 'today's standards'. This usually means liberalism.
You need to study the views of people like Martyn Lloyd Jones, John Stott, F.F.Bruce and G.D.Fee.
Reply:Check out a Willow Creek Church in your area. I think you might find exactly what you are looking for. God Bless. I am praying for you.
Reply:Look in the phone book or do a search on the internet under phone books for church's.
Look at colleges that offer the bible study groups.
Reply:I sugest that you make a list of God's requirements for His Chruch.
e.g. one that is Bible based and obeys His Commandments (ALL 10 of them)
And use the ONLY accurate Bible we have.
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